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Discussion in 'RED DWARF UNIVERSE' started by carsher, Apr 26, 2009.

  1. Andrew

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    It strikes me as massively unlikely that your Blu-ray player and TV won't be able to cope with with the non-HD extras. It's not the issue it was with standard-def.

    Plus, of course, very, very few of the extras are SD anyway...
     
  2. dvd3500

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    I find it interesting that BluRays tend to be multi-region or region-free but DVDs still cling to the region-coding like ticks on a sweaty dog.
    With the exception of reigons 4 and 2 there seem to be no multi region DVDs out there (with the exception of some region 0 discs I have come across).

    I was a bit surprised when I got some combo DVD/HD DVDs from the US and the DVD side was region 1 (not a problem for this ex-pat yank). But then the Blade Runner sets DVDs were region free, as far as I could tell.

    Almost all the movies I am thinking about getting on BluRay (Red Dwarf included) seem to be region A and B at least. Which makes Transatlantic shopping easy. The only prob is finding a fairly inexpensive BluRay player that is region-free for DVD at least.

    I know there are some out there but they haven't hit sub 200€ yet...

    Anyway.. I am rambling..
     
  3. Andrew

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    I think it's partly due to how specialist Blu-ray is. There aren't the consumer-level disc-burners available that you have with DVD, so they're less of a piracy problem. Plus the demand for pirate Blu-ray - when picture/sound quality is the whole ball-game, otherwise you'd just get a DVD - must be pretty low. You buy pirate, chances are the quality's gonna be low, and that's not appropriate for the Blu=ray buying customer's mind-set.
     
  4. dvd3500

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    As an ex-pat yank I only ever bought region-code 1 DVDs if the movie/show was not available in in Region 2. That was much the case from about 1999 to 2001.
    Now I hardly see any delay and by virtue of having lived here for so long my tastes have changed so that there are very few American movies/shows I really want that i can't get here.

    For some reason I am still on the fence about the whole quality argument.

    I remember being in a store in the US in 2005 overhearing a conversation with a salesperson about how a couple were going to hook up their TV through the antennae jack! They had these boxes that allowed you to plug in the RCA/cinch connections and it converted to an antennae signal (glorious mono audio).

    Some people argue the shut down of analog TV will hasten people to see the light of HD content but I just have my doubts...
     
  5. TheAmazingDannyKing

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    It took me about five shops to find somewhere selling it, but I finally saw BTE on Blu-Ray last night.

    Boy was it worth it!

    Best way to see the show, so much detail, moreso than most HD TV shows I watch TBH. Dunno if that's the added benefit of 4k or what.
     
  6. Merc2k

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    Looks like you are right. I had the opportunity to check out the extras on the second disc tonight and all worked fine on my setup.
     
  7. plagiarize

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    got mine yesterday. had a quick look at it (looooong day at work) and i'm very happy with how the CGI effects hold up in HD. everything else looks substantially better. it's really nice to be able to see the sets and costumes in all their glory. little details like the book on aliens and ufos in the middle of the table, and mel bibby's name on his photo weren't visible before and are now.
     
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    I havnt seen it anywhere. I have tried various HMVs and a few tescos all over but no sign of the blu ray. I didnt want to order online cause the bloody postmen are striking again and god knows when it will come. I wanted to get it and final fantasy vii on blu ray.
     
  9. dvd3500

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    I'll hopefully be in the UK in a few weeks' time and hope to üick it up... even though I don't own a bluRay player yet!!! (have a bluray drive in the computer though...
     
  10. RedDwarffan2982

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    got my copy today from play.com, I was shocked how much better it was, i rented a bluray and thought it wasn't much diffrent but with red dwarf it was excellent
     
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    I understand that you won't get the full benefit of blu-ray without a High-def telly and the proper connection cable. However, for those of you who operate Blu-ray with a standard telly, did you still notice an improvement compared to DVD?
     
  12. Andrew

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    That's pretty unlikely. (And one has to ask: what kind of buffoon is spending money on HD discs for an SD TV?!)

    Converting an HD picture to a standard TV is what's already happened with the DVD. Unless you're noticing the artifacting on the DVD - and it's a pretty good transfer, I think - there's no real difference. Certainly you won't get any extra visible detail whatsoever, which is what HD really offers.

    I guess the audio - DTS versus Dolby Surround - would be a step-up, if you've got a proper sound system set up.
     
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    What about if you binned your dvd player and are using a ps3 as a dvd/blueray player. Blue ray discs are almost the same price as new release dvd's. So for future purchases you may buy bluerays instead of dvd's. May be that kind of buffoon. ;-)
     
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    Thing is, many wouldn't be able to afford all at once. So for example I might save up for a PS3 but wouldn't be able to fork out for a HD TV Plasma or LCD for quite a while later. (Obviously, that's still worth doing (since PS3s play games too.) So not so much silly as a gradual upgrade.

    Obviously, if I were opting for a standard Blu-ray player it's arguably better to save up for the HDTV first, but I'm saying that in hindsight to the answer to my question . For all I knew at the time, the quality could still be significantly better even in SD... but now I know better. (Thank you.)
     
  15. dvd3500

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    I just bought the BluRay.
    my first BluRay purchase ever!
    I don't even have a player (OK my PC can play it) but I wanted to support the series!
     
  16. garfie

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    I know someone who bought every version they could get of the Shawshank Redemption - including laser disc. He wasn't ever planning to get a player and laserdiscs were pretty much obsolete already.
     
  17. HDCriticalFan

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    I have the Blu-ray. Put me down as “Very Annoyed”.

    Within the opening few seconds I noticed that camera movement caused terrible tearing in the background. There was major breakup of the sign on the corridor wall in the opening sequence when Lister was at the vending machine. I popped over to my Sky+HD recorder where I still had the Dave broadcast. There is was fine.

    It didn't take long to realise that the difference between the two was that the satellite broadcast on Dave was (unsurprisingly) 1080/50i - being a normal UK broadcast. The version coming out of my Blu-ray player seems to be 1080/60i !

    The show, being made for UK TV, must surely have been made at 50 Hz so why have they actually performed a 50Hz to 60Hz frame rate conversion prior to putting it on the Blu-ray ? This is guaranteed to make it look "flickery". Why would they ruin the show like this ?!?!?

    I had an awful thought that this has allowed them to make one single international disk which will play on US kit (at 60Hz) and international kit (which invariably supports both 50Hz and 60Hz).

    Don't get me wrong, it's not unwatchable ... but it continuously shows that it has been "damaged" in the production process when there is any significant movement on screen. As I have already seen (and still have available) the 1080/50i version on Dave then what is the point of watching a WORSE version on BD ?!?


    To add insult to injury the disk also includes some calibration tools, including a five minute sample of test footage shot in my native London, UK. This footage is excellent - and it plays back in the Holy Grail film format of 1080/24p !!! It is by far the best thing on this disk !

    So what is the point of putting out a Blu-ray disk of the TV show which looks WORSE than the original TV broadcast ?

    [For the record - the issue of "i" versus "p" is, by comparison, fairly subtle. I could happily live with an interlaced version - provided it was presented in the original 50Hz of course !!!]
     
  18. dvd3500

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    I would play the disc on someone else's player or on a computer.

    If you have an older player or with older firmware it may not be handling the signal correctly.

    Even on my CRT TV the picture is fine (I know I am crazy)....
     
  19. sundayforsammy

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    I've just checked my blu ray disc and it works perfectly, try a firmware upgrade to your player as suggested, i had to do this once as a film i bought just wouldn't play. The thing is with Bluray players and HDdvd players is that there really just computers with a blu ray/ HD drive in them and just like computer they sometimes need updates to get some discs to work correctly with them.
     
  20. HDCriticalFan

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    I'll certainly do that if/when I get a chance.

    The player is brand new. I will look at upgrading the firmware, but the Sony web site doesn't have FW any later than last October - and it simply seems to be adding "kiddie's" BDLive options (i.e. for interactive on-line stuff).

    Well a CRT is an interlaced display device - so it should look a bit better (although I would have thought that the 50/60Hz problem would still cause some effect). The biggest problems occur when trying to deinterlace such messed up interlaced fields for a progressive display.






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