RDXI / RDXII Every Series Running Order

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  1. Abe

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    Recently I've been thinking about how with each new series, we spend a while debating what order it should have gone out in, but I've never really seen a thread on the older ones (maybe they exist, idk). That said, what order do you think each series should be in, be it for continuity, hiding the stinkers, or just plain continuity? I will contribute to this in due time but it will take me a while to make a good list.
     
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    I'm not sure i understand what you mean...
     
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    I think Abe is essentially asking if we would change the running order of the episodes, and what order that would be.

    Im not sure yet, but I think I might have liked the XII episodes mixed up a bit so we have a mixture of on ship /off ship episodes, rather than the current order of three off ship followed by three on ship episodes. I don't mean something as formulaic as every other one though.
     
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    Interesting question. I don't think I'd make too many changes.

    Series I: Would possibly move Futures Echoes into 4th place (its original place) as I think Balance of Power and Waiting for God do a better job of introducing the characters/set-up.
    Series II: Would swap Queeg and Parallel Universe around. Queeg would have been a great series closer.
    Series III: Maybe Timeslides in 4th place and Bodyswap in 5th as I think it's the weaker of the two.
    Series IV: Dimension Jump's definitely wasted in 5th - could have been a good finale, would definitely swap with Meltdown.
    Series V: I like Holoship as an opener, but there is that slight continuity issue where it mentions a holowhip but we don't find out what that is until Demons and Angels. D&A is the most 'episode 5' of the series though, so on balance I think I'd leave it alone. I'm sure there's another continuity error in RD that a change in episode order would fix, but I can't think of it right now - anyone?*
    Series VI: Pretty much perfect as it is, and I don't think you even could change the order.

    *I've remembered one - in Better than Life Rimmer boasts about having sex 'twice in one lifetime', but by Thanks for the Memory it's 'once'. Even if the liaison with McGruder didn't count in the real world, it's a bit strange that he was so embarrassed when Lister learned this same fact in the very next episode. So maybe swap those two round aswell.
     
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    Problem with swapping Queeg and Paralell Universe is you’d have PU ending on Lister being pregnant then no mention of it in Queeg.
     
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    Yes, good point. Also, PU does have quite a party end-of-series-y atmosphere so I'll keep it where it is. I still think Queeg should have been made as the last episode though.
     
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    I wouldn't change any of the classic era Dwarf atall. But I would put Mechocracy and Skipper into Series 11 replacing Twentica and Krysis to make the perfect series.
     
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    SERIES I
    The End
    Waiting for God
    Balance of Power
    Confidence & Paranoia
    Me^2
    Future Echoes

    Alright. First, I think Waiting for God is a lot less wasted finishing right on the 'Lister is God' thread we just left at the very end of the last episode, and then the whole garbage pod and sleeping quarters sanitization thing gives us a good base to have Lister question Rimmer's authority on. Two important notes, though, and that being that Confidence & Paranoia being next means that (1) it becomes slightly ambiguous as to where Lister got sick from, however, illnesses usually can take days if not weeks to manifest and start showing symptoms, and (2) the opening line about Lister pretending to pass the chef's exam would have to be moved off of Waiting for God and put here. Confidence & Paranoia and Me^2 clearly have to go together, since the ending of one leads right into the other. Future Echoes would make a fantastic season finale, ending on a note that the boys have a long future on the shop with many adventures still to come, also, we don't have to end on the good but not really series-ending-quality "souper" joke.

    What do you all think about this?
     
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    I have read that series 4 order was changed on its 1st broadcast and shown in its preferred order on the repeat showing but cant find what the preferred order was does anyone know the preferred order for Red Dwarf IV
     
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    Meltdown was supposed to be first and Dimension Jump second, but they moved them to the end because of war, I think.
     
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    As I mentioned in another thread, the only order I wish I could change but would be reluctant to ultimately (if that makes sense) is the one for series 12. Timewave is such a divider of an episode that I wish it could be in the fairly often in sitcoms infamous slot 5, so that the viewing figures would maybe not have reduced as much for Mechocracy.

    But really I would be reluctant to as I actually like how the Starbugging off ship episodes and ones set on board the Dwarf are divided into the two halves as they compliment each other well while the end of M-Corp in slot 5 sort of leads into Skipper.

    So yeah wish it could be changed for the sake of the audience numbers but perhaps it is better left as it is.
     
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    Rewatching whole Red Dwarf recently, so I will put runing order of every series.

    Series I

    1. The End
    The reason is obvious...

    2. Balance of Power
    I think that first thing Lister would do after reviving 3 millions years in deep space it that he would remember his friends & Kochanski.

    3. Waiting for God
    Continuity from Balance of Power and Cat religion should be explain earlier than in 4th episode.

    4. Future Echoes
    5. Confindence and Paranoia
    6. Me^2
    The continuity is obvious and Me^2 really fits to last episode.
     
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    Whoops. I forgot that it came from within the episode itself. Pretend I never said this. I maintain my proposed order.
     
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    SERIES II
    Queeg
    Thanks for the Memory
    Stasis Leak
    Better Than Life
    Parallel Universe
    Kryten

    Series II, while often grouped with Series I, is, in all fairness, much bolder than its counterpart. This is well shown off opening the series with Queeg. Next, Thanks for the Memory - a nice light introduction to the crew's ability to leave the ship in a believable manner. Better Than Life should come at some point after TftM, as @Callisto252 pointed out, and as such, it does, but we really don't need two episodes in a row about Rimmer having sex, so Stasis Leak comes to split the two. Then comes Parallel Universe, which I know some people will disagree with me on, but it really doesn't have to come right at the end of the series, so long as we say that Kryten happens pretty much as soon as they come back. I think Kryten belongs after Parallel Universe because I just don't buy Lister not caring that Kryten has been gone on a bike ride for a year now then just found him one day, and especially for them to have just been willing to jump to Earth not knowing where he was. It makes much more sense if he'd just been gone on his bike ride for maybe even just hours before they found him, otherwise it's unlikely he would have been found at all.

    What do you think?
     
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    I am gonna be pretty bold with my series 1 reorder

    1- Me2
    2- Balance of power
    3- Waiting for God
    4- Confidence and Paranoia
    5- Future Echos
    6- The End.

    What do you think?
     
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    I think they all about half an hour?
     
  18. Abe

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    That is very bold but also a lot of plot holes.
     
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