Memorabilia Rarity Index

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  1. thinkingman

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    Hello smeggers,

    I was wondering if someone has created a RD memorabilia rarity index and if so where? If there isn't one then I plan to create one!

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    Jon
     
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    Hi Jack.
    I'm not sure if I can help you with this, but I highly recommend asking @Cloud as he's the expert of most things.
     
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    Thanks for the vote of confidence nikz. Hmmm well to answer your question I once wrote the words "Red Dwarf DVD" on a McDonalds napkin. Is that the kind of thing you were looking?
     
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    Looks like the coast is clear Jonno, go for it.
     
  5. R.I.P. 2000

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    All right - I'll bite. What is one? How do you measure how rare something is?
     
  6. thinkingman

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    In this day and age, I guess you'd measure Red Dwarf's memorabilia rarity by how often it appears on eBay or other sites, and/or by how many of the item(s) exist. Possibly...
     
  7. Seb

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    As far as I'm aware, nobody's really done one - it would be a nice idea, but it does come with the inherent problem that so much of what people might say is "rare" or "valuable" can be subjective. Plus, there's an awful lot of stuff out there, and cataloguing it all is pretty difficult - there are some cases where official merch was issued but had short production runs, and sometimes even the people involved in licensing it have forgotten that it exists!

    There are a handful of known fans who are reputed as being experts in this kind of field - the Fan Club President James, for example, and there's a chap called David Flett who is a bit of a merchandise legend, too. But even then, that kind of thing can vary - and sometimes you even get self-perpetuating cycles.

    To give you an example, many years ago James was interviewed by this very site about his collection - and he mentioned that at the time, he thought the rarest Red Dwarf book in existence was the Scenes From The Dwarf Penguin 60s mini script book. Up to that point, many fans hadn't even heard of it - but it meant that prices started to soar online, and it became this mythical "incredibly rare Red Dwarf book". And yet, while it is still rare compared to many of the other books, it's perhaps not as valuable as those inflated prices - since, in the years since, more and more copies have started to turn up. But what James was saying at the time, that in his experience he had rarely ever seen copies of it, wasn't wrong, either. It was true based on his (extensive) experience at the time.

    (FWIW, I personally believe that the rarest Red Dwarf book is the Firecrest Books large print edition of the first novel, produced for libraries. It's one of only two ways to get the first book in hardcover, the other being the infamous US book club version with the bizarre illustration on the cover. As far as English-language versions of the books go, those two are the two to beat as far as I'm concerned.)

    I appreciate that what you're talking about is rarity rather than value - because value will always be subjective, and something will only ever be "worth" what people are willing to pay for it. But still, look at what happens with the Starbug Electronic Playset - admittedly much harder to find in good nick than it used to be, but it shows up on eBay at ridiculous prices, and yet it actually does so with surprising frequency. So is it actually rare, or is it just something that people think is rare?

    (Or another example: the bobbleheads. I remember there being so many of those in stock at certain popular sci-fi shops that they were practically giving them away at convention stalls - and yet all of a sudden, that supply dried up and now you'll see Inquisitors on eBay in the £50-100 range.)

    And there's the rub, because it's nigh on impossible to quantify how much of a given item actually exists in the world - you can look at how many were produced, but that doesn't necessarily tell you how many still exist, how many are on the market, that kind of thing. And even when you get people like James and David who really know their stuff, you don't necessarily have someone who specialises in the minutiae of everything. T-shirts are a world unto themselves (again, I know a guy called Norman who is pretty much the main RD t-shirt expert), then you've got the trading cards (I don't know anyone who has a true handle on the metrics for how many of all of those exist, although I'm sure there is someone), the books as mentioned... there's so much stuff, and I doubt anyone knows all of it. Not even Andrew.

    It would definitely be a nice thing to see, no doubt. But heck, I'd be doubtful that anyone could even pull together a complete and authoritative listing of all Red Dwarf merchandise ever produced full stop (although if anyone could I'd put money on James), never mind then also being able to add information about how rare it all was, and have that information be correct...
     
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    I remember getting a lot of interest for my starbug playset a few years ago. I was even emailed asking about it (I mist have mentioned it on the forum or something) Unfortunatly it fell off a shelf years ago and its little thin legs fell off. Also the little characters long went missing.
     
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    A couple of the legs on mine broke. They were still connected due to another thinner bit down the leg, but those legs are rather fragile. Superglue helped, although it took a while to set properly.
     
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    I got the Penguin book for about $5, so I'm calling Bull (Ha, get it??) on that one. :-)
    In my own personal collection, the rarest book I have is the Roleplaying Game's Series Sourcebook, only because most of them went up in a fire.
     
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    From your comments it would be a monumental (but not impossible) task!

    I don't think I would rate how rare something is based on its showing up on eBay/Amazon though. I'd base it off how many were made (that we know of). And to start the list I'd begin with things we know exist and are somewhat readily available at different times.

    Those pesky legs on the Starbug electronic playset! Mine broke too when my dad was moving things about.
     
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    The rarest is the Kryten model and the Starbug playset
     
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    I have two Kryten models from Sevens; one is the vinyl model which was hollow and didn't have the groinal attachment, the other is the diecast version which came with his vacuum groinal attachment. The vinyl ones aren't as rare as you'd think, the diecasts are.

    As for the Starbug playsets; readily available on eBay but at extortionate prices. Thankfully I have two, although one got damaged by my dad who was moving things about in the attic one day and he didn't realise its importance. I've since told him never to go near a certain area in there!
     
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    Yeah I picked up a Starbug when they were selling for €110 out of Japan two years ago.
    To be honest, the rarest item for me would be a Starbug where the sounds don't play in slow motion but play at a normal pitch. As every model Starbug I've seen, the sounds are slowed down. I'm thinking it's a manufacturing error in all items unless someone can prove me wrong.

    As for the Kryten, I didn't even know there was a diecast version. Do you have pics?
     
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    I thought I was just unlucky and the batteries had almost run out in both my Starbugs, but now knowing that the ones you've seen have slowed down sounds as well - must be a fault when they were made.

    As for the die-cast... I am mistaken. It is made of something hard but definitely not metal. At the moment a lot of my memorabilia sits in my parents attic as I have very little space where I currently live and that's where the hard model of Kryten lives for now and therefore no pictures at the moment I'm afraid. The problem with this hard model version is that it breaks, whereas the vinyl obviously won't. I know this because my non-vinyl Kryten has a broken leg.
     
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    That's the one :-) I ordered my first one when the advert was out, so got the free groinal attachment, and it definitely is not made of vinyl like the 'regular' kit.

    If you want one then I suggest setting up an alert on eBay to send you an email whenever something matches your search terms. I got my second one doing this and won it for £80. Some sellers will try and put a 'Buy it now' price of anywhere between £100 - £300. The maximum I would personally pay is £150 but add a bit more if it has the goinal attachment.

    I also found out that it's usually not a good idea to buy on eBay when a new season is about to come out or when there's a DJ convention around the corner!
     

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