RDX Official Spoilery Thread

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  1. djmcbell

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    I just try my best to forget that whole lot.

    Red Dwarf, in large, has done reasonably well to explain itself in a lot of cases. In Timeslides though, I would have thought that even in the worst case scenario Holly would have remembered what the photos could do. But hey - they know that they're obviously restricted to the frame and, let's face it, maybe the ship never stocked porn. Meltdown's matter paddle was destroyed in Demons & Angels, which did the trick.

    I was never a fan of the whole "Lister is his own father" storyline and I'm not sure I like it being brought back up. It does seem good though that they're addressing old plot points - this one and, from the sounds of it, the aftermath of RD8.
     
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    I think it's worth noting that a common feature inherent in many science-fiction books, films and TV shows is the use and interpretation of scientific devices, concepts and various strands of non linear physics, or hybrid theories.

    I do find the discussion of possibilities and probabilities interesting, but at some point, surely the aspect of a writers particular interpretation of said concepts/laws/theories and the fact that the interpretation is a device used, often intelligently (although mostly flawed in terms of execution) - plays second fiddle to the character/narrative/humour/entertainment value of the book/film/show.

    This being the case, I would argue that there comes a moment where you must renege on trying to equivocate a plot device/sci-fi concept usage in a show, to it's interpretive genesis, aka, the theory/concept itself. The authors and writers are using and interpreting things the best they can, but there are countless examples in entertainment where if you want to, you can pick holes in how they have done it.

    Speaking of which, I was watching the film 'the butterfly effect' the other day. Parts of that are very well done, but the film can be torn to shreds in terms of it's appropriation of non-linear physics and its ideas. But, whilst fun, why bother?

    With RD too - I love Ourouboros and the Lister is his own father story, and if it doesn't quite tie in here or there perfectly, it does not stop me admiring the writing, idea and non-derivity of the storyline for a comedy/drama on the Beeb. Pathos, great acting, and score, and my favourite of SVII. :-D
     
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    Someone mentions in the comments that the poker game in Entangled reminds them of Identity Within, which is something that crossed my mind when I read the synopsis. It makes some sense I think (gambling with engineered lifeforms, poker games, using characters as winnings) as the general premise of the storyline is there. I enjoyed IW so I don't think I'd be upset if some elements were incorporated into the episode.

    Reading all the new snippets of info are starting to make me feel excited for the new series now. :-)
     
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    Couldn't they just save themselves the trouble of a 4,000 mile journey by making a potato battery?:-D
     
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    I agree that we shouldn't over-analyse the science in something that is after all a comedy show. However there should at least be some attempt at (pseudo)science in a show that is science fiction. Timeslides may be a bit of a hand wave in terms of how the developing fluid mutated to produce such extraordinary properties but we are at least told by the most credible source that this is what must have happened.

    That allows the viewer to accept the premise and move on. When we suddenly have the crew of a mining ship magicking up a mirror universe with no explanation of how then it is simply jarring and disconnects the viewer from the suspension of disbelief. When time drives don't work in one episode and do work in the very next one it triggers something in the viewer's head that interrupts their enjoyment of the story. The irritating thing about both is that the script could easily have been rewritten to accommodate a single line of exposition explaining why both phenomena were possible. The latter actually did, only for it to be cut out in the edit in one of several strange editing decisions in Only the Good...
     
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    Well, we know Kryten built the prism laser and aimed it a mirror. I'm not convinced of the authenticity of the physics behind this in that it could enable a dimensional portal to open; but that is the long and short of it. I didn't think 'hold on, that can't be done, can it?', or 'the theory is ridiculous!' - I just accepted Kryten, possibly with the Nanos help, or Holly's help, could have accomplished something of the sort. Just as you did when he made his assertion in Timeslides re: the developing fluid. Added to this, Kochanski is a science officer, and having access to all the facilities of the newly (re) populated Red Dwarf, you might think it at least possible if not probable that he and her could have created the prism laser.

    What I have a REAL issue with is that in the ACTUAL (?) televised ending - Rimmer returns to the original universe but finds the others have crossed. Now, wouldn't Holly, or Dave, Kris or Kryten or Cat, or somebody - have sprinted to where the mirror was and stopped him - or would their paths not have crossed, or would there have been no communications via an intercom/tv screen etc whereby Holly said 'Arnold, don't go back, the guys are in THIS universe now'.

    Perhaps not, but that's the thing that bugs me, not the science, the consequences of the plot device that results from it!

    :-D:-):eek::shock::lol:
     
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    Forgot about Ouroboros! I guess that time they HAD to use it to make sure the space time continuum was kept intact though? All very confusing though, so I hope there is a reasonable explaination for this new time travel, like it's a total mistake :lol:
     
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    Actually there is a proper explanation, which was, as I said covered in the deleted scene. It mentions that the technology already existed in the science labs of the New Red Dwarf. I've no idea why this scene was deleted as otherwise it just seems as ridiculous as the GELF costumes they magic out of thin air in 'Beyond a Joke'. When you think of all the drivel that Only the Good kept in only to omit a key piece of exposition it tells you a lot about some of the really bad storytelling decisions made in series 8 as a whole.

    Moving on though, I wanted to get back to series X after that clip from Loose Women was revealed today.

    Didn't want to discuss this in the other thread as its speculating on spoilers but I've just realised the potential for an episode ("The beginning") that finally allows Rimmer to put to use all of his pouring over military strategies. The idea of him "saving the day" previously conjured up images of Out of Time and Only the Good but the idea that he will actually be able to use something he is good at to outwit a fleet of simulant attack ships is a really interesting one for those of us who love a bit of Rimmer redemption story.
     
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    Sorry to say, Lemon, but these (and then some) have been discussed a while ago.

    We still have no idea who anyone but Howard is...
     
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    What about that doctor though?
     
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    That's not necessarily true. The guy who looks like a dentist is Kerry Shale, referred to in the official cast info as playing "Holo-bot/Taiwan Tony" in episode 2.

    I'm assuming the latter is the nickname Rimmer opts to give him due to him not necessarily having a great deal of faith in the technology and I'm also assuming he's a sort of doctor for holograms. Maybe this scene takes place in the holo-suite and is connected to Rimmer hearing strange noises in the trailer that was released some time ago.

    We also know that the woman is called "Sim Crawford" and that she is (judging from her uniform) a crewmate of Howards. I wonder if her first name isn't perhaps a clue that maybe she isn't human.

    There is a picture of both emerging from what might be stasis pods here
     
  14. djmcbell

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    If they are stasis pods... Howard is a hologram and, as such, shouldn't really need stasis, he should just be turned off. However, I guess if he's in stasis he's not consuming power by being on and a computer wouldn't have to "reboot" him when he came out of stasis, as he'd still be in his booted state.

    But we must also remember that Lanstrom was found in stasis. Maybe she wouldn't turn herself off, as the computer wouldn't turn her back on, and also wanted time to "ponder".

    As for this "Sim" character, at the moment she appears human. I'm hoping not, as then it'd kill the premise of Lister being the last human alive (although series 8 did away with that pretty quickly). Here's hoping for a nice, human-looking simulant or, as a bit of a plot twist, she could also be a hologram (but if hard light and without a H, virtually indistinguishable from the real thing).

    "Holo-bot" from episode 2 - hmm... unsure if I like the idea of Rimmer being serviced by another hologram. After all, Red Dwarf can only project one. If it's all going on in Rimmer's head then that's okay, but if they make Holo-bots into a regular occurence, I'd be a tad nervous.

    And another bloody edit - apparently Rimmer refuses to meet Howard until he passes the astro-navigation exam. I was thinking about this the other day, in relation to when Rimmer succeeded in his training to become Ace. Well, not really succeeded, but Wikipedia's article on Stoke Me A Clipper has him succeeding.

    Rimmer's not allowed to succeed. He's only allowed to bumble, at best. Here's hoping he doesn't pass the exam and cheats to make it look like he did.
     
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    IWCD implies that Rimmer was more than capable of passing the exam, it was merely his ridiculous preparations and extraordinary procrastination that kept him from doing so because, deep down, he wasn't really interested in anstro-navigation, he just thought it was something he SHOULD be doing.

    The books also mention that the only reason Rimmer's brothers were more successful than him was because they were given memory implants, something Rimmer's father could no longer afford by the time his youngest had grown up. This almost implies that Rimmer's constant moaning about not getting the same breaks is valid. It will be interesting to see if Trojan touches on any of this.

    I still can't help wondering about the name of the ship...and episode. That name has to be important somehow.

    I think maybe the holobot encounter could be taking place in an AR simulation or, as you've mentioned in Rimmer's head, perhaps as he's plugged into something in the holosuite. It could also be something that they find on board a derelict. If this is the episode where they are trying to install a new computer then perhaps they stumble across a variety of different programmees.
     
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    I noticed something about Howard Rimmer's hologram H.....it's bigger then Arnold's. This makes me wonder if he is using the one Rimmsy had back in BTE because the new one is clearly the smallest yet.
     
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    Now this would potentially make for some good comedy. Presuming that Legion invented the hard light hologram and given that the Enlightenment were all soft light holograms this would seem to imply that Howard will be soft light too.

    Hilariously this will make Rimmer a superior version of Howard's technology so I really hope we get to see him lording it over his brother by randomly touching things, drinking cups of tea, etc. Classic petty pointscoring. :lol:

    Sadly, it seems that we won't get to meet Howard until later in the episode and that there might not be time for this, but it's something I hope Doug has considered.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA. Rimmer has made a "Battleplan timetable".

    Hahaha. I bet he spent all of his time making it so now a week's campaign has to be effectively crammed into three and a half minutes. :lol:
     
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