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  1. ori-STUDFARM

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    I can testify first hand that this is true. I acted like a complete and utter one around January of 2009! (Give or take a couple of months)
     
  2. Seymour_Clufley

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    You should care what people think about your use of swear words, because it comes across as the behaviour of over-grown adolescents. I'm sure you're not immature, but it is a silly thing to do.

    Please take that in the spirit in which it's intended. I like your site, and have no knowledge/experience whatsoever of the forum mishap people have been discussing.
     
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    The thing is, as Ian said, the language is far less of an issue than it used to be. G&T places no restrictions on the language its writers and community members may use, that's true; but the editorial style has changed significantly in the last few years. If you look at the current front page of the site, for example, there's not an "F" word or "C" word in sight (unless you happen to get a particularly sweary random entry in the Recommendations box). The style of the site changed a bit when it stopped being just Ian and John in 2006, and has changed even further just in the time since I've left (not that I was responsible for much of the swearing, it's just that since around 2009 the site has been aware of its wider audience and taken responsibility for that).

    The writers obviously still sometimes swear for deliberate effect or humour (and I see nothing wrong with this - would you call the writers of The Thick Of It "over-grown adolescents"?), but that's their prerogative. People are always at liberty to dislike something, but it seems to me - and okay, although I don't work on the site any more I'm always going to be biased because it's my close friends that run it - that a lot of fans are judging the site on what it used to be, not on what it currently is. It's always been aimed at, for want of a better phrase, "mature audiences" (and any link to it from here will always carry that caveat), but of late I really don't think they've been chucking around harsher language with the gay abandon of old.

    (I would also take issue with your point that Ian "should" care what people think. Why? He's under no obligation to anyone. It's a fan-run site, done completely in people's spare time and not for profit. It's not beholden to advertisers, investors or anyone else. The only people it reflects on are its creators - if they're happy with what they're doing, and they're happy with the audience they have, why should they change to reflect the wishes of people who aren't themselves or that audience?)
     
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    I think that's acceptable purely as subtitling them speaking olde speake or a foreign language would have removed a lot of the humour and conversation. What I meant was that unlike lemon lady, Jesus spoke like a native English speaker and not like a foreigner with a foreign accent and even used and fully understood modern slang perfectly like "bit of a nob" and he'd learned the (incorrect for the time but allowable for the plot) thee, thine, thou type English of old but fully understood "you, your" modern English, and I tell you as a fact that its not possible to just instantly understand those things without pre-learning or a customising yourself to it- sourced by my experience of trying to speak Argentinian Spanish in Mexico, where between them a difference between "you" and "thee" exists in modern dialects and all I got was blank looks and "Que? Mande" when I thought theyd understand perfectly and had to relearn to use the more standard form of Spanish rather than the strange But (IMO) superior Argentinian way of speaking. Baring in mind that Jesus was supposed to be from Caesaria in around 23 AD and had visited Merseaside, Albion probably once for a short time, I'm pretty sure this isn't just being pedantic :P

    I just realised how poorly written that is, all one long sentence. I apologise (cba to edit it into prose).
     
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    how sad
     
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    I hadn't noticed that with cat actually, good observation jmc! The series 10 entrances suited him better but bte was very cinematic, and they wanted that kind of feel to his entrance. I liked that they brought those observation conservatory things back into the canon as we hadn't seen them since rimmer's "dad" died in his jeep.
     
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    let sleeping logs die.
     
  8. Seymour_Clufley

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    Look, I'm not a complete puritan. I swear myself, quite frequently. But I wouldn't do it on something that was going to be seen/read/heard by the public at large; a sense of manners and a desire not to come across as a lout would prevent me from doing that, because I'd want my "product" (sic) to come across as civilised - the best of me, not the loutish side of me. Take a look at this set report:

    "one pickup done for a scene from the end of the episode, well before we know what the f*** it was about"

    "he doesn’t make any more comments about cast f*** ups for the rest of the recording"

    "it’s just… well, it’s f***ing weird"

    Do you really think the F-word adds anything to those sentences other than a feeble attempt to sound adult? For me, it marred what was otherwise a good and well-written article.

    Yes, yes I would. I find it a tedious and over-rated programme, certainly compared to the masterclass of Yes, Minister, which manages to be just as insightful, intelligent and thought-provoking without sounding like it was dreamed up by a bunch of "rebellious" sixth formers.

    You might be right regarding other people, but I only started visiting it when the RDX set reports began, so really the last 18 months.

    The irony... Of course, I realise what you mean. It's for adults, right? Well, that's what they said about Torchwood.

    Those are two completely different things. It is ridiculous to suggest that you should only care what people think if you are obligated to them. This is what morality and civilisation are for. I'm not obligated in any way to the little old lady in the street, but I'll still be pleasant towards her. I admire someone more if they choose to be civil when they are free to be loutish. G&T are free to be loutish, and depressingly often they don't choose to be civil in their language.

    Having said all that, it's a fine site, a fine achievement, and I don't want to knock it. It's just the language thing that bothers me. But of course they're not obligated to me, so presumably I can just f*** off.
     
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    People like you should post here way more often.
     
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    He will certainly give Freeborn Leveller - aka The Veggie Vamp a run for his money ;-)
     
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    That's very flattering, Danny.

    And Stephen, with regard to Freeborn Leveller, I already have done. ;-)
     
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    You have indeed. In fact so far as discussing "bad language" on forums I think you just won hands down. I, what with all my imperfections may have tried to uphold the rules of this forum, but it takes a very special kind of person to tell someone how they as an individual should think, and what they should and shouldn't do on their own site!

    But hey, in regards to your views on the g&t guys, look on the bright side, buddy - at least they spell wordz propper & use good grammer, which is one less thing to moan and complain about, innit?

    As a side note: Just out of interest, what say you to this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfQwz-F6y48

    "Why it's liberal-communist-Marxist-Socialist propaganda, I tells ya!" [​IMG]

    *Engage innocent whistle mode* [​IMG]

    Edit: Just to make my post look laboured.
     
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    Good job that he didn't have a Geordie accent then. Probably because the actor wasn't a Geordie...
     
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    Tomato, tomato....erm, that doesn't wok in text, does it? :-)
     
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  16. Seymour_Clufley

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    I agree with you that swearing can be funny ("you mad goth b*****d") but only in certain situations. And if you can say something equally effectively without swearing, then it's better to say it that way.

    Because the stuff they're putting out doesn't get "consumed" just by members of their clique. When I downloaded Dwarfcasts, I didn't have to tick a box saying "Do you confirm that you are a member of our clique?" That's why it shouldn't be cliquey, where the cliquiness is offensive or rude.

    Having said that, I'm not against it being cliquey in any way. One of the things that was nice about listening to the Dwarfcasts was that it was clearly a group of people who knew each other well, a group of friends, with a history of previous conversations to draw upon. That was quite fun. But the swearing was tediously gratuitous - actually, were I a member of their clique I would still think that.


    Right... Let's be clear. I didn't, and wouldn't, "tell" the G&T people what they should do on their site. You are trying to paint me as some kind of dictator. I merely offered advice as to how they could improve their site.

    As for telling someone what they should think... I don't know what you're referring to but, so what? People constantly tell each other how they should think. It tends to be the main way in which people get better at thinking.

    fewer

    ;-)

    It's a 30-minute video. I'll watch it and get back to you. But I have to say that the last video you recommended, that liberal Berkeley professor lecturing a bunch of adoring students, didn't tell me anything I hadn't worked out by the age of 20 - even though, according to you, I lack any understanding of human psychology and needed to watch that video to "begin my education". (God, that grated.)
     
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    Well, You very specifically told Ian what he should think. Much like when you tell others how they should think in regards to what you think about them and their spelling and punctuation. And yeah, yeah, yeah I know the script: you were just "Offering advice". How so very kind of you.

    Teaching children how to think is of course a very effectual method of building up their critical thinking skills (We've had this discussion before). Whereas merely teaching or telling someone what to think, based on your personal values and beliefs is nothing less than indoctrination and/or (as appears to be the case here) pure pompous arrogance.


    *Late Edit: On reflection perhaps that was a bit harsh on my part. Since you seem to misunderstand myself from time to time, it's possible I'm misinterpreting your true intentions too. If so then I apologise.

    I will openly admit that I am personally not a big fan of the use of "bad language" in the context discussed here either, especially, as bedford pointed out in relation to the podcasts. But that's just my opinion. And regardless of said opinion, as chiche as this may sound, I will defend ones right to use whatever language they choose on their own independently funded site. It's not as if they're running an on-line educational site for kids or anything, and it's made pretty clear what kind of contend is to be expected.*

    "Liberal Berkeley Professor"? What's so "Liberal" about him? This has nothing to do with bloody politics! Although if you mean he deals with the knowledge we have built up over the years, and thus scientific facts and information from mass sociological studies as opposed to political ideologies...then yes he's liberal minded, as opposed to one who wishes to conserve outdated information that was proven false long ago.

    What grates me is dishonesty and rebranded quotes - the twisting of what was said in previous conversations. And you have the gall to accuse me of trying to paint you a certain way? Hmmm.

    As for the specific video I posted, that was just an introduction to the course.
    If the first video was the only part you watched then you still have another 35 hours of information to get through if you wish to become a real boy. :P

    Here, I made a playlist with all the vids in order: Click here to continue your education, thicky!

    *I'm kidding in regards to some of the wording there of course. No genuine offence intended..I just couldn't resist a bit of satire there, what with your...interesting perception of me.

    Anyway, I'll leave that there for now as I have a bad cold. I keep having an attack of the sneezes, boo!...perhaps I should go to church to be be blessed.. What? should we not have conserved the belief that sneezing means one is possessed by demons? That's the conservative thing to do, right? ;-)
     
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    speedy recovery our vegetable loving friend.
    Positivity vibes sent.
     
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    What makes you so sure it isn't true? :P

    Seriously, get well soon :-)
     
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    Thanks for the well wishes, peeps. :-)

    I would just like to point out to Seymour that I've just added a late edit in the middle of my last post. Just thought I'd mention it here in case you already read it.
     
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