Sure, I fully understand all of that. I don't necessarily think Doug did it because he'd given up caring either (I did at the time though and that's what I was talking about). I was just stating reasons why the thoughts you allude to Doug having might have been misplaced because a lot of people didn't get whatever it was he was or wasn't trying to do, in part due to the falling standards of the latter half of the series making it confusing as to what type of show Red Dwarf was becoming. Yeah me too. That's one of the reasons why if the proposed new series fell through I'd be sad but not terribly sad, because back to Earth gave the show a finale that, if not exactly the farm on Fiji scenario that Lister dreams about, is at least an upbeat satisfactory ending for the show should we never get another one. I'm also more than aware that Andrew had an influence in the direction of how those final scenes panned out and so, despite us quarralling from time to time, its something I will continue to respect him for. I never thought I'd welcome another scene with Kochanski but Back to Earth absolutely nailed the right way to use the character for me and is one of my faivorate scenes of the entire show. Like I say, inferring malice was never my intention. I don't believe I've ever stated that Doug Naylor deliberately creates 'bad' Red Dwarf. However this doesn't mean that the parts of his work that are sloppy or illogical should be immune from criticism. That isn't attacking the man's character, it's critiquing a work put on public display for consumption...most importantly in the genuine hope that the show won't repeat the 'bad' bits. As for the Holly Hop drive. It get's called 'Hokey' because it looked naff. That's all. The storyline may simply transplant the "a wizard made it" to "a genius computer made it" but the difference with Only the Good's mirror universe was that thanks to the deletion of a crucial scene, the wizard didn't even get a mention.