The actors make the show great, not the script

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  1. jaybo1973

    jaybo1973 Catering Officer

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    The lisa yates scene is one of the greatest scenes in red dwarf. If different actors play it, it soon becomes the worst, nice set though:

    Click me.

    tried to give the thread a new title guys!
     
  2. Bluey

    Bluey Science Officer

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    I think I'd prefer Craig Bierko and Christopher Eigeman to these two.
     
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    If you use the link tag (the sixth icon along that looks like a bit of chain) you can make your links clickable. Like so.
     
  4. jaybo1973

    jaybo1973 Catering Officer

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    Cheers! wondered how you did that :-)
     
  5. TheAmazingDannyKing

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    The actors AND the writing make the show great.

    The actors on their own would be a bad show.

    The script played by any good actor might be funny, but certainly with these two it's the most unfunny thing since leprosy.
     
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    Reading lines from a script and there is acting, comic timing and believable character adoption. They didn't have any of this. Fail.
     
  7. jaybo1973

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    oh I agree, it is combination of acting and writing. You need both. I probably should have given more thought to the title of the thread. Those 2 definatly make the scene look un funny though!
     
  8. telegramsam

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    I disagree, completely. I've seen some really well-acted tripe and it does not make it any less cringe-worthy (not talking about Dwarf, obviously). A really sturdy script can withstand a bit of bad acting, though if it's too horrible it just becomes distracting, for me anyway.

    But no, you really shouldn't discredit writers like that. The writing is the backbone of a show or film, if it's weak the whole thing falls apart.
     
  9. acerimmer_165

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    Exactly ...

    We've all seen brilliant actors forced to act out complete rubbish :-D

    I am not talking about Batman

    The last comment was completely random, as I like Batman.
     
  10. jaybo1973

    jaybo1973 Catering Officer

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    Like i said on the last post, I should of thought more about the thread title. The writing is superb; but the actors are just as important. those 2 actors make a great scene seem poor
     
  11. acerimmer_165

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    Actually, I didn't read your first post properly.

    As I told you inmy other post about USA Red Dwarf, I'm blind.

    I'm not going through the metaphor again :roll:
     
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    Did not even manage to get to the end of that scene..pure torture!
     
  13. EternusNex

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    same here. i got to the start of the observation deck bit and gave up

    oh god, they didnt do the lister's dad flushed down the bog bit did they?

    no wait. thinking of better than life there. phew
     
  14. Keir_FTGL_Shiels

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    I think that this sketch doesn't prove anything really.

    Firstly when you have an established cat, you start writing for the actors you have: you play to their strengths. The Wilma Flintstone sketch doesn't work as well without Craig and Danny because it was written FOR Craig and Danny. The fact that John Cleese will play Basil Fawltey better than anyone else doesn't make him a good actor, it just means the scripts were tailored to him very well.

    Secondly, this is proof that regardless of how good a script is, when it's performed badly, it's performed badly. Noone would ever dream to say (I hope) that Shakespeare was less talented than David Tennant, simply because David Tennant can play a decent Hamlet, but someone else can't.

    Writing is INCREDIBLY hard work. I've written, acted, directed and done stand-up in my time. The hardest was probably stand-up; but that's only because it encompasses ALL of the other three. It is far easier to act someone else's words than it is to write brand new ones. The fact that those goons couldn't act Doug's words well makes them rubbish actors. It doesn't make Chris and Craig amazing ones.
     
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    Excellent points by Keir Shiels and telegramsam. Nothing more need be said.
     
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    Whose words???

    I know that some cast members seemingly want to write Rob out of Dwarf history but there`s no need for fans to do it as well. :-)
     
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    Bad acting and directing can ruin a good script any day.
     
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    Personaly I think its a combination of good writing and good acting.. no matter how good a actor is if the script is bad it all turns bad and the other way around.
     
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    To be honest I always thought most of the guys were very limited actors even to this day, Barrie is slightly better than the rest and Llewellyn isnt too bad but its the scripts for me that make the show. Some of the extra's have been better actors than the main cast.
     
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    Well I certainly think the actors brought it to life. Take Chris Barrie for exanple; he played a cowardly and unpleasant character but he pulls him off as likeable!

    Not to say the writing isn't genius though. It is =)
     

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