The best Red Dwarf plots are in the books.

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  1. MacabreMagpie

    MacabreMagpie Catering Officer

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    I honestly think this, and it's a shame that a lot of them won't make it on-screen. For example, I love the thing about rougue Simulants hijacking Red Dwarf when the crew are off-ship and then converting the landing bay into a prison to trap them upon their return in Starbug, so that the Simulants could then have competitions for the right to kill the last human being. Not only is that something that actually makes the Simulants seem a credible threat but it adds gravitas to Lister being the last human.

    Thoughts? Am I talking out of my heat vent?
     
  2. bedfordfalls

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    Not just the best plots, the most properly realised stories, not to mention the best characterisation too.

    To be honest, I oan see why those who have not read the books often watch the TV show on slightly different wavelength to those of us that have read them. There's so much more characterisation in the books that I think those who read them end up forming a much stronger attachment to the characters, which might be why series like series 8 tend to annoy them more.

    The novels are definately the most perfectly realised versions of Dwarf, imo.
     
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    They contain a lot of silly stuff too though, a drug that you get hooked on by looking at it. It should be named "Internet Porn" maybe.

    But yes it does have great stories which at the time of writing probably wouldn't have been possible to film on a BBC stage-based show on their budget.
     
  4. MacabreMagpie

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    That's what's frustrating, really - the show has episodes with great plots but the novels just show the real potential behind some of them. They're also really well-written books and it really feels like its a world that Rob and Doug really have a handle on.
     
  5. Whisper

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    Is there any recommendation on which books should be read?
     
  6. MacabreMagpie

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    If you're going to start anywhere, Infinity Welcomes Carful Drivers is the beginning. After that Better Than Life is a sequel, then Backwards (by Rob Grant) and Last Human (by Doug Naylor) are alternative stories following on from the end of Better Than Life.
     
  7. bedfordfalls

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    All of them.

    Red Dwarf: Infinity welcomes careful drivers.
    Better than life
    Last Human

    Is my preferred trilogy.

    I prefer to think of Backwards as an alternate continuity...which of course it is. ;-)
     
  8. MacabreMagpie

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    Glad to see someone else enjoys this book - I was, frankly, baffled to discover that it's considered by many to be the worst.
     
  9. Seb

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    The Garbage World segment of Better Than Life is probably my favourite sequence in all of the Dwarf canon. Probably followed closely by all the Rimmer pre-accident stuff in IWCD.

    So, yeah. I'm not inclined to disagree.
     
  10. Whisper

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    Thanks.

    Never considered reading a novel version before but with a holiday coming up I might try to pick one up.
     
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    Do. I bought all four novels a couple of weeks ago, and I absolutely loved them. IWCD and BTL are fantastic. Backwards is great, too. I'm only halfway through Last Human so I can't really comment on it yet, but I'm enjoying it. :-)
     
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    They're not really just novel versions, a lot of the plots are expanded upon so that they play out very differently to the TV series. It's better to consider them an alternate canon of the Red Dwarf universe. For example, Captain Hollister is a female in the books.
     
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    Thanks all. Taking the advice and will order them in time for holiday 8)
     
  14. bedfordfalls

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    You won't be disappointed. They really are fantastic.
     
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    More correctly, Captain 'Hollister' isn't even in the books. I guess in the book canon he stayed as Dennis the Donut boy. :-)
     
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    Hollister not in it? That's quite a difference from TV series!
     
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    He's replaced by someone who's Hollister in all but name and gender (she's described as "a short, dumpy American woman who had had the misfortune to be born with the surname 'Kirk' ").
     
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    The books are great (Like Seb, I really liked "Garbage World") but to say that the plots contained within them are 'better' is not really fair, as you're not comparing apples to apples. The TV show had/has many constraints - mainly budget and a half an hour running time - which mean fleshing out backstory and plot are simply not possible in the same way you can in a novel. Presumably this was part of the reason they wanted to write the books at all.
     
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    That doesn't mean we can't say they are better. It may not be fair...but its true.

    Books are simply a better medium for storytelling, but that doesn't mean the books would automatically be better than the TV show.

    There are many "novelisations" of popular films that are not as good as the movies they are based on, many spin off books not as good as the TV shows they draw inspiration from. This isn't the case with the Red Dwarf novels, they improve on the TV show in ways beyond mere budget and timescale restrictions.
     
  20. Reznor

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    i wonder what the books would be like if i read them before i saw the show
    what i would think the characters look like and what not :P
    but the books are very good it's been to long since i read them so i couldn't tell you which one i think is best
    but bedfordfalls and rimmer as a hooker do spring to mind thanks to mr beds avatar
    and in backwards the cats lion spiked ding dong! aww man such an image :P
     

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