This & That - The Derail Thread

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  1. BigOleDummy

    BigOleDummy Deck Sergeant

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    ACTUALLY Mr. @Ant the Dragon I thought you might approve of this thread as its intended purpose is to stop the whining we usually hear from you about derailing. EXCUSE me for trying to be thoughtful of you and the others whose threads are in danger of being derailed. DON'T make me put DragonSlayer back in my Sig.!
     
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    ^^
    Derailing example #5
     
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    Good questions!
    Spot game, if I screw up I'll know it immediately as the plates form a distinct pattern. There's any number of ways to alibi something like that. I can "accidentally" hit the board with my elbow reaching for a drink or a cigarette and have to start over. If the screw up isn't TOO bad I can just finish, say "look at that" and sweep the plates before the mark notices or I can "shade" the wrongly dropped plate with my non-dropping hand. That game isn't classified as a "alibi" for nothing you know.
    Carny getting "Hustled", well that kinda ties in with your other question about when/if another person "with it" tries to beat us. Part one answer : I've been hustled once , in Detroit lol, by a mark that came up (in the rain while nobody was out) and hustled everyone in my joint with a pair of crooked dice. The guy was GOOD and when we figured it out we actually smoked a joint with him and congratulated him on being so good. We respect smoothness and balls believe it or not. (FROM A MARK) Hustled in my game? No, never and I can think of NO scenario where any agent can be. You have to understand in a "hustling" type of game the agent controls EVERYTHING. I and I alone decide if and when you are going to win or lose.
    What happens if another carny tries to beat you?
    Part two answer: This is a little more complicated. You have to realize just how ....."incestuous" the carnival business is. Your "typical" AGENT (someone whos been educated) may work on 2, 6, 7, 8, or more shows each season. You'll of course work for different bosses on each. By the time you've been educated you know or know OF just about everyone who "features" your game. Its true. Example, I knew of Suck em up Chuck 10 years before I ever met him. If I'm working a spot store and somebody comes up and "wins" the first time or second I immediately know they are either with it or has been. I will alibi the "win" out and tell the jerk to leave. Its happened before but the ...... jerks who did it were escorted behind the line up and stomped into the ground. I'm thinking of one specific instance in West Allis. Again, I must emphasize that in a alibi or flat I and only I control the game.
    I must add this, believe it or not, once you reach the level to where you've been educated you are in ...... rarified company and there is a honor code among us. I would no more think of trying to go and win a spot game now than I would of slapping my Mother. ANY TRUE AGENT feels the same way. We take a certain pride in what we do AND how we do it. You think its easy telling a mark that his next game is going to cost him $512 or $1024 ? or more?

    I have to add that I quit "working" many years ago, even before I got off the road. My conscious wouldn't let me do it anymore. Alexandria Louisiana parking lot, a young couple newly married..... did it for me. I probably ruined their marriage if not their life by working a Flukey ball. I'm ashamed to this day about that. True, I spelled out repeatedly exactly what was going to happen and how and that young man knew EXACTLY what he was getting into, but in the end I'm the one who took their down payment for their home and their car. I think about them to this day.
     
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    Then its in the right thread huh?! You be slippin there Mr. Ant :shake:
     
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    Ahh, answers my questions. .my next question was gonna be, do you ever take pity on a mark, or even let him win, sort of if you feel sorry for him, or you can see he's in a bad place to begin with,? and if not is it simple to get used to that? Personally, i don't think I would have the heart to push it necesarrily as much as others could.
     
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    :-D:lol:
    Actually I do or did as I'm pretty much retired now, at least from the business. BUT, only in a Hanky Pank or an Alibi NEVER in a Flat. I have never had a winner and never will in a Flat store for the plain simple reason that when you "win" you get all your money back, your choice of prize or prizes and all the extra money you've "won" from the bonus's. Flat's (the Hustle joints as you call them) work like this : you have to do what I "teach" you 10 times (or 7 times depending on how strong you want to work), that's called 10 pointing. You play until you miss and then match the pot to keep going. Trust me, you will NEVER get that 10th point. Start with a $2 game.... I will let you get to your 3rd or 4th point then you'll miss. You will match what you spent ($2) and keep going. Now you have $4 in the game and I'll let you get to the 5th point then you'll miss. I'll tell you not to get nervous and that you KNOW how to do it (and you'll think you do), but now you'll have to match $4 to keep going. By now you have either $50 or $100 in "bonus" money coming too. (hit me 2 or 3 in a row for a bonus..... which is whatever I think it will take you to be interested) You WILL match the $4 and I'll let you get to 7 points.... at which point you will have at LEAST $100 in bonus money and 2 choice prizes coming plus all your money back. Now you match the $8 dollars you have in ....... and miss again. Now its $16 to play and some start dropping out. "But if you quit the Boss wins, I'll say". You'll get one more (at $16) and I'll throw in another bonus, because "I like you, you have balls" and then you'll miss at 8 points. Now is when the real "marks" come in to play as its $32 to play. You will miss that too, at which point I will say "lets take a time out, and let you practice since you are getting too nervous to play", I'll let you do whatever it is a few more times and start the game back up. Its NOW $64 to keep going, but hey you've already made 8 PLUS you just made a few more at the time out practice. I may or may not let you get to the 8th point now, depending on the mark. Say I give it to you, its now $128 to keep playing to get that last point. Then its $256 ....... $512 ....... $1024 etc. By now I've got an hours time invested in you and half the money you spent is mine (50/50 split with the Boss in a Flat) so NO a thousand times NO you WILL never get that last point.

    You would be amazed at how much money some people will hand you.
    An alibi is a little different in that you are only playing for a prize. Now most Shows and Bosses want the games to run a certain stock average. If MY stock average is very low and I like you or think your girlfriend is hot or like the t-shirt you're wearing I MAY consider letting you win. MAY being the operative word because I pay a percentage of what the stock costs. And remember "alibi" is what the game is called for a reason, even if you won its my job to tell you why you DIDN'T.

    So yes, I've given prizes away because I've felt like it, because I was mad at the Boss, because I wanted to get you away from the counter so I could go take a break or because I liked your t-shirt. DO NOT walk in to me and say "so, how are you going to rip me off" even in a joking manner or walk up saying "I know these games are rigged" because as soon as I hear that I will do everything in my power to make SURE you don't win.

    Hanky Panks are the kids games and all of them are solidly straight. You don't rob kids, pregnant women, the disabled period. If one of those 3 classes of mark walk into a flat you tell them you're either not open, have to be 21 to play or have a small throwaway prize to give out (disabled)

    Once more let me stress its extremely hard to find a crooked carnival game these days as they are just bad publicity and all us Agents are dead or retired. I can name only two shows that still allow them and they are both very small.
     
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    Well thanks for the details
     

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