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Discussion in 'RED DWARF UNIVERSE' started by Presuming Ken, Nov 19, 2015.
1. The End
2. Parallel Universe
7. Beyond a Joke
8. Pete Part 2
9: BTE part 2
10: Dear Dave
It's a really boring ep. Plus that recycled shot of Starbug really annoyed me... Pete had a pooping dinosaur!!!
Me too. I forced myself to rewatch the whole of series 8 recently (I couldn't miss it out as it was part of my Dwarfathon of all ten series), and somehow it gets worse and worse every time I watch it.
Series 1: Confidence and Paranoia
Series 2: Kryten
Series 3: Bodyswap
Series 4: White Hole
Series 5: Demons and Angels
Series 6: Polymorph II Emohawk
Series 7: Ouroborous (Because it introduced the business about Lister being his own father)
Series 8: This one was very difficult to chose, but I'd go with Pete Pt1 for the viagra basket ball game.
Back to Earth: Part 2 I think, whichever one saw them on the set of Coronation Street.
Series 10: It's a toss up here between Lemons (For all the plot holes and errors) and Fathers and Suns (For resurrecting the stuff from Ouroborous. I really can't chose between them.
Overall weakest episode for me has to be Back to Earth Part 2, although there's not a huge amount between it, Pete and Ouroborous IMO.
1. Waiting For God: Just the slightly less brilliant of a brilliant bunch.
2. Parallel Universe: I don't think Arlene is a very good 'alternate' version of Arnold Rimmer and I don't get why the female equivalent of Cat would be a male dog. With an accent from the southern United States.
3. Timeslides: I like the episode but as I've pointed out elsewhere there are just too many niggly things about the plot and common sense (even by RD standards) that bug me.
4. Meltdown: Has a couple of moments that I love, including one of my all time favourite RD moments, the reaction from Cat and Rimmer to 'you do have a small physical presence', and the 'whinnie the pooh' scene. However series IV is of such a high standard that it still finishes last.
5. Could almost be called the 'Rimmer' series as 3 episodes revolve around him. So hard to choose, I honestly love every episode, I am almost literally rolling a dice in my head here, and it comes up with Quarantine.
6. Another brilliant series, another very tough decision but because it recycled 3 ideas, I'm going with Emohawk: Polymorph II
7. Unlike many I actually like Series 7, though not all of it. Whilst I like the 'woooo weee is it cramped' and 'bent Bob' scenes, as well as the ending, my vote goes with Duct Soup on this one.
8. Yeah, no yeah, whichever 'Back in the Red' had dancing blue midgets. Or any of the other episodes.
9. I actually don't hate 'Back to Earth' the first part re-introduced the boys, the scene with Cat explaining what he saw and the scene with the diving bell were enjoyable. I also liked the scene in part 3 with Lister telling 'Kochanski' that he would find her and at least it ended with the 4 of them on board Red Dwarf, which is how it should be. Therefore I choose Part 2 as my least favourite.
10. Enjoyed all episodes but I'm going to go with 'Lemons' for similar reasons to Timeslides in that there are just a few too many little plot points and continuity niggles for me.
1 - Waiting for God
2 - Parallel Universe
3 - Timeslides
4 - Meltdown
5 - Terrorform
6 - Emohawk - Polymorph II
7 - Ouroboros
8 - Pete part II
BTE - Part 1
10 - Dear Dave
1 - Balance Of Power
2 - Thanks For The Memory
3 - Bodyswap
4 - Camille
5 - Holoship
6 - Legion
7 - Stoke Me A Clipper (used to like it, but I HATE the jousting scene and "a knight escaped from the AR suite" thing)
8 - Krytie TV (been yonks since I've seen it though)
BTE - part 2 (some painfully unfunny stuff)
10 - Dear Dave
I struggled with series 1-6 and I still think they're good episodes but, as the topic says, the worst of that series.
1. Waiting for God - although great at exploring the Cat a little bit more, I find both the A plot (Cat) and the B plot (Garbage Pod) to be lacking in anything substantial and a little weak on the comedy front. It all feels a little like a build up to the "it's a garbage pod" punchline at the end.
2. Queeg - I have never enjoyed this episode, can't tell you why. It's just one of those episodes I have always been a but turned off by. Though it has allowed me to quote the square root of 2049 at any opportunity it is possible.
3. Bodyswap - This was a really tough one. There isn't really an episode in series 3 that I dislike, all of them are possibly perfect examples of what Red Dwarf can be and is. The only reason I pick Bodyswap is because I can immediately think of lines I regularly quote for the others.
4. Camille - Again, not a bad episode at all, but now I think about it, against the rest of series 4, it could have possibly been given a bit more depth than 'Kryten falls in love with a big green blob'.
5. Terrorform - Again, another episode I have never enjoyed too much. Maybe because whenever I think of it, I just think it's been completely shot in the dark.
6. Rimmerworld - Another one I feel lacks any more substance other than the concept of 'world of Rimmers', although "we could just use the teleporter" makes it worth watching for.
7. Duct Soup - A bottle episode within a series that has it's foundation in bottle episodes. And it's pants! Also, about as annoying as Kryten gets in series 7!
8. Krytie TV - Classic sit-com trope of mis-understanding leads to hilarity, except it doesn't really.
BTE. Part ??? - God knows. I equal parts love and hate Back to Earth. Maybe part 1 because I felt to dejected after watching it. I had just spent 24 hours watching every Red Dwarf episode prior to the air of BTEt.1 and chatting with people on this forum throughout, and then that episode aired and I don't think I laughed once.
10. Dear Dave - No explanation necessary.
1) Waiting for God - not all that bad really, but the stuff with the Cat Priest bores me.
2) Kryten - why do I hate this episode? The insanely manic audience that keeps applauding everything, David Ross doing a crap C3PO impression, a thin plot.
3) Backwards - the first ever episode I saw and so the one responsible for making me a fan. I don't think it's a particularly bad episode, but it doesn't stand up well to repeated viewings.
4) Camille - some good moments, but the episode fails to create a satisfying whole.
5) Holoship - I love all six episodes of series 5, but perhaps this is the episode I love least.
6) Psirens - this is my favourite series, but this is the only episode I don't love.
7) Stoke Me a Clipper - I love series 7 more than 99% of people, but I find this episode relatively uninteresting - though I love the medieval jousting scene.
8 ) Cassandra - most people's favourite from this series, but not mine.
9) Back to Earth part 2 - I've become pretty fond of Back to Earth in recent times, but I'd say that this is my least favourite part as parts 1 and 3 have more memorable moments.
10) Trojan - I just never took to this one and the humour seems forced and unDwarfy.
That's pretty much the issues I had with Trojan aswell, with that said I still disliked (hated) Dear Dave more. I really was not a fan at all of either episode.
Dear Dave has grown on me with repeated viewings. It seems to be an attempt to create an episode in the series 1 style - it doesn't quite manage it, but I do think it has a charm of its own. But I can understand why so many dislike it.
I: Confidence and Paranoia
II: Kryten. (Although I found the gallows humour stuff when the Dwarfers discover the fate of Kryten's crewmembers in it extremely funny. This is NOT a bad episode by the way. I had to pick one and there's stuff in this I found a bit irritating. Mainly at the end.)
III: Bodyswap. (I was thinking of choosing Backwards as the timeline logic is inconsistent, but it's such a great idea and a fun episode...)
IV: Dimension Jump. (I found an episode really difficult to pick in this series. I chose this, because while the start Top Gun parody is great, the rest of the episode didn't hold up to the others in my opinion.)
V: I... can't choose. Sorry.
VI: Emohawk - Polymorph II. (The start of this episode is extremely interesting and very funny though.)
VII: Duct Soup. ( Although I found that hard to choose. I do actually like this episode, although I wasn't keen on it in the past. I thought of choosing Blue, but, then it has the Rimmer experience at the end...)
VIII: Back in the Red part 2 or 3. I didn't dislike this, but oh my did it drag after a bit... I can't remember which part I found most boring.
BtE: Part 1, (purely for pacing reasons in an early bunk room dialogue seen which really irked. It was rectified in the Director's Cut however. There was stuff in 3 I wasn't keen on, but there was other stuff in 3 I really loved. Corrie, in 2, by the way, didn't bother me a bit. Loved it!)
X: Dear Dave.
1 ) Balance of power
2 ) Parallel universe
3 ) The last day
4 ) Meltdown
5 ) Holoship
6 ) Out of time
7 ) Stoke me a clipper
8 ) Krytie TV
9 ) Back to earth part 2
10) Dear dave
Poor Dear Dave. It's taking a real pummelling in this thread.
I think for me the reason that ranks so low is just that it might be the most disjointed feeling episode of Red Dwarf ever made, maybe even more so the Pete part 1 and 2. Unlike Pete though, Dear Dave actually has some things I like about it. I like that it really explores how depressing Lister's position must get for him, there's a few funny gags and I like how a vending machine's biggest aspirations are to see around the corner of a corridor. It just never really seemed to come together as a whole and had no flow to it, the whole thing feels much the way it is....stitched together last second.
.....Also the stuff shot behind a green screen was pretty unsightly, very distracting.
1. Balance of Power
2. Parallel Universe
3. The Last Day
7. Joint equal worst every episode
8. Joint equal worst every episode
BtE. Joint equal worst every episode
10. Dear Dave
I liked dear dave... I found Trojan to be the weakest of all the episodes.
I'm surprised by how many people here dislike Emohawk. I don't think I'll ever fully understand why some hardcore fans (and only hardcore fans) don't like it. For me everything fits so well and it's one of my favourite episode of all time. I just wish it was longer, or a two-parter.
Anyway, here's my list:
1) Waiting for God - same reason Bluey gave. I don't hate the episode but find the cat priest section to be a bit weak.
2) Kryten - I like this episode but for me it's the weakest of seix great episodes.
3) The Last Day - There are things I really like about this episode but the whole end section with Hudzen-10 does nothing for me. And I'm not entirely sure why tbh, but I was never a big fan of this episode.
4) Justice - a pretty good sci-fi concept and some good dialogue, but I find certain parts to be a bit dull. And the minimalist "Justice World" sets leaves something to be desired.
5) The Inquisitor - Again a pretty good sci-fi concept but a boringly blacked-out set and a few too many moments when I find myself waiting for the episode to be over so I can move on to one I prefer.
6) Rimmerworld - not a bad episode but I can't help but feel the great idea of a world of Rimmers turned out to be somewhat of a wasted opportunity.
7) Ouroboros - The stuff with dental floss took the silliness a bit too far for my liking. And I was never a big fan of Lister being his own father either...although with that said the 'two Listers' scenes in Fathers and Sons are among my all time favourite RD moments, so for that reason alone I'm actually glad it was included into Lister's back story.
8 ) Only the Good... - Easily my least favourite RD episode of all time. I just find it to be a bit dull. And I'm not keen on the ending. Also, Tony Slatery (who I liked on "Who's line is it anyway) doing the voice to the vending machine is one of the few RD scenes I genuinely find annoying. I know his character is supposed to be annoying to Rimmer, but I just find his voice (and the volume of it) quite off-putting.
BTE - I view this as one episode but part 3 has some of the dullest moments for me (although I did like the stuff with Kotchanski).
10) Dear Dave - I actually feel a bit bad for adding yet another Dear Dave vote because I
honestly think it's a pretty good episode. It's grown on me a lot during subsequent re-viewings. I like the inclusion of the vending machines and the general n(almost) series 1/2 feel. It's definitely not a bad episode in my personal view. But nonetheless I do still feel it's the weakest of the series.