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Discussion in 'RED DWARF UNIVERSE' started by Seb, Oct 18, 2017.
I thing the core joke is still bad, it sounds far less forced like that!
It's not as if this sort of joke is that hard to do...
When he mentioned the G-Spot I thought he said Cheese-Pot... I can still remember the look on her face when I whipped out that tub of Dairy Lea.
When he said "Circle her aerola" I thought he said "Burp on her hairy mole first"...Just my luck that she turned out to have one.
When he said "Start with an erotic massage" I thought he said "Fart in her erratic passage."
...oh, okay, maybe it's harder than I thought!
....is it bad that I actually laughed at the Cheese-Pot one?
Depends whether you laughed at the 'spit on wrist' one too?
I didn't......I might be low brow but I have some standards!
'Exhaustion' is the word that come to mind here. I really think two series back-to-back might not have been a good idea. I found series XI to be really very good, nudging towards Series V quality in all honestly. Series VII, VIII and IX's worst elements were often due to silliness and failed attempts to shake-up the formula.
But Timewave is a different kind of bad that was creeping in from the very start three weeks ago. It seems restricted by its own tropes. For example, the confinement trope: the sets have been tiny and crowded. How about a couple of matts (even hokey ones) to open up the locations like we've seen in previous series) and the plots have involved the crew needing to escape from people with narrow and dictatorial mindsets.
It all evokes a picture of an exhausted caged animal, gnawing at its own fur through frustration and this applies both to its ideas and my feelings as a viewer these past couple of weeks. Considering that to date we've had 9 episodes in the past two years, and probably five of them have been very good, I think very probably that Timewave will be the low point and am still optimistic for the rest of the run.
The timewave concept should have been introduced at the start of series XII and been a running thread through the series. It's a bit future echoes-y but I really liked the potential.
The 'last human' part of Red Dwarf is a thing of the past now, innit? He meets loads of other humans all the time and met a ship full of them in this episode.
Rimmer's inner self-critic was delightful (for the short time we saw it) was delightful and I wish it had been villain of the week, as in introduced at the beginning and the mystery of who it was and where it came from been the actual story (leading them to the Enconium).
That's it for now!
Wasn't the part about the sand about it being valuable. Rimmer waddles off carrying as much as he can. When Lister and Kat are bottling it up Lister thinks he can skim a bit off the top as a future investment and when Rim comes in he panics and drops it under his foot and rubs into ground (tbf he should have just pocketed it really). It really wasn't that hard to understand
Outside of Kochanski (from a parallel universe) and the unknown fates of the Red Dwarf crew, there have only been 2 people other then Lister who were still alive, both of whom are dead now.....seemingly to restore the status quo. Every other human they've encounter are either in, or have come from the past. Further more it's implied the dingleberries from this episode will be returning back to their own time, once again restoring the status quo!
Irene presumably, and who's the other?
The Evil Doctor 2 episodes ago.
My point was rather the notion of isolation has been diluted. He was the last human, but he runs into other humans and has the opportunity to meet them regularly (past, future, parallel world, doesn't matter from where they came). Basically, the probability of him socialising, or finding companionship, with another human being used to be low-to-zero until recently. I dunno, I just prefer the tragedy of that setup to what we see now.
There were also the two humans at the start of Samsara.
After Timewave Lister will be as much the last human as he ever was, because they remembered to explain that the wave will suck the ship back, restoring the status quo. But I think the point is that the lonely post-apocalyptic "I'm the last human" vibe is becoming threadbare as more and more humans keep coming and going.
Obviously they struggled to find things for Lister to do. They didn't want aliens or robots, but by II they caved on robots and by III they caved on aliens (although they called them GELFs). Now we're getting actual humans turning up, but with some conceit that means they're gone by the next episode.
I watched it for the second time and I still don't feel it's anywhere close to the nadir of Red Dwarf. It could have been horrible, but for me it was basically bland and forgettable with some parts that veered a little too close to nasty for me (but then I felt similarly about the ending of Justice so there is precedent.)
If I ever feel compelled to do a rewatch of the Dave era then I guess it will just be the one where I say "oh, this one" because I think it will mostly be seen as forgettable.
I remember thinking that Krysis was far worse than this on first viewing.
They too were from the past though. They're always from the past. Lister has had loads of interactions with other humans... going all the way back to Stasis Leak... But its always been him going back in time to them, them being brought forward in time to him or the occasional portal to an alternative universe!
At the start of the episode the woman contacts Red Dwarf, that's happening live. They were only from the past in the way that Lister and Irene E and Telford were from the past
Dave-Dwarf has begun a precedent in that Lister has started to encounter humans still alive in his own time and space. Irene E, Samsara couple, Telford. Though they're all stasis-survivors from the twenty-something-century like him.
I will give it this. I found the discussion on criticism and dopamine very interesting.
My dopamine levels are clearly through the roof from discussing this episode!
Yeah I see what you are saying, that is a distinct difference to be sure.
Interestingly I think all the Dave-era characters we've met that way would technically have been born long after Lister was frozen. They all seem to have been part of the millions of years of human history that Lister missed out on whilst he was in stasis. I suppose it always stood to reason that throughout that time there were bound to have been others who got preserved in some way too... It's just that each one that's woken up after him has died within the same episode!
I guess Lister yearning not to be the last human alive has become similar to Rimmer desperately trying to achieve his officer dreams ... they keep giving him it and then snatching it away again.
Or piss-poor writing by Doug who wants to introduce guest characters but doesn't want to tie them into the arc of the show with any lingering consequences.