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Discussion in 'RED DWARF UNIVERSE' started by DivineVarod, Oct 24, 2017.
Red Dwarf XII proves ratings success!!
Where are these numbers from? They are talking about 700 800 people and BARB about 1 milion. Bit a difference.
When Series VIII premiered, it drew 8 million viewers. I know that viewing habits have changed, people have drifted from Red Dwarf and it's not on a terrestrial channel, but it should be pulling in at least 2 to 3 million an episode.
If that's a rating success, then I'm a lemon.
The BARB figures were "seven day data" and include people who watch on catch up - I assume!
This was 20 years ago, when Red Dwarf was main stream TV show.
It had ratings about 4 millions, if I remember, when BtE aired. It was return after 10 years and it's not surprising that some people didn't watch new episodes after BtE.
Trojan had 2 millions and X average was about 1,65 million (if memory serves). Now it's about million (acording to BARB) and the episodes are broadcasted week before on demand, so many people watch them here.
I think these are still very good numbers for 30 years old TV show.
I bloody hate the fragmentation, it's great that people have ways to enjoy telly anytime they like but it used to be an event. A new series of Red Dwarf, everybody sat down at the same time and watched it with real anticipation.
It's just a half-hour commodity now, disposable and forgotten.
I feel there's a nucleus of a Red Dwarf episode there.
I wonder what people will reminisce about in the future with no cultural anchoring points, no real shared experiences, and growing up in isolated, perfectly tailored digital bubbles. A part of me thinks all of this 'progress' is already starting to unravel minds and homogenise cultures. It's not a luddite perspective, it's just a healthy skepticism of how things are going. I feel Red Dwarf would be a perfect show to do an episode about the downside of progress, and do what it does best - make a farce of it.
We'll film a fan episode, you supply the pantomime dress, I'll supply the horribly dated stereotypes!
It's all relative. Too many variables (catch up, viewings on app etc) - the ratings+DVD/blu-ray sales for Series X "surpassed Daves expectations" - hence 2 more series being commissioned. Series XI performed similarly, and it sounds like Series XII is virtually matching these numbers so far.
Another thing is Doug tweeted last week that the viewing figures for Timewave actually went up in fact! Though whether they were higher than the first episode as well it wasn't made clear.
I notice the Barb consolidated 7-day figures for Siliconia were above 1 million and almost as high as Cured so that is good too.
But still like I said in another thread about Timewave, I really hope that the divisive nature of that episode doesn't collapse the ratings for the rest of the series if the more casual fans who really detested that episode desert series 12 totally.
Have to see but for now it's doing well and good for a show that is no longer on a mainstream channel and nigh on 30 years into its timeline!
On BARB, the consolidated 7 day ratings were 1.13 million for Timewave which is only 0.01 million below the first episode. So yes that is really amazing that midway through the series, the overnight rating was the highest so far and the consolidated 7 day rating was virtually the same as Cured.
So yes, series 12 has done very well with its first three episodes. However, I notice Doug and Richard have made no comment about the overnight figure for Mechocracy so I presume it is down. I suppose it is almost inevitable that the figure would go down upon episode four but Mechocracy was a very strong piece of classic Dwarf so it is a bit of a shame if it has reduced significantly.
I still feel although I personally found Timewave to be very good, because of its divisive nature that Doug was aware of from the mixed set reports it should have been in the Dear Dave slot and shown fifth in this series.
Obviously I don't know whether the viewing figure fall is significant but if it is Timewave might have destroyed the momentum of this twelfth run. Some people like myself liked it very much but some people have really hated it.
If it had been in fifth position broadcast then surely it would not affect momentum as everyone would still want to watch the finale Skipper as it looks set to be the last episode for at least 2 years and it looks like it could be a momentous one with Holly returning too.
I don't know...maybe I am wrong and the viewing figures will have held up still but I just feel although series 11's fifth in the run, Krysis, was a winner, maybe Doug should have sacrificed that slot a bit more this year.
Still have to see whether the TV viewing figures for Mechocracy have held up when BARB release them on Monday. Shame if they haven't as that was more like vintage RD, though for now I will just be satisfied with how the audience numbers for Timewave went up again!
Admittedly as I expected after the "marmite" Timewave, the viewing figures on Barb last Monday for Mechocracy were down somewhat below 1 million at 0.91m after 7 days.
I wish really there could have been some way of Timewave going out in fifth position so that the audience figures were not going to be hit as much but still really the final 3 episodes were in perfect order really, with them all being based more on the mothership and with M-Corp's end building up to the finale almost.
Still though, at least Red Dwarf was in the top 10 off the non-main channels still which is something at least and I suppose after a significant showing for the first three episodes they were always going to fall after all at least a bit. I worry that the viewing figures tomorrow will go down again for M-Corp but I do have hope that due to the finale Skipper trending highly on twitter that maybe they could go up a bit again for that sixth episode. Still, the numbers should be - especially given those for the first half of the series - enough surely for future Red Dwarf to be made.
Noticed on the BARB 7 day figures, M-Corp got 0.84 million viewers and ended up in fourteenth place for the non-main channels. Without meaning to make excuses perhaps this official RD website will later say that there were plenty of people previewing it online to add to this figure. But I must say I can see really why Doug tweeted before Skipper that if people want to see more Dwarf, then they must watch it! It does seem a bit of a low figure but while I still expect the finale to have dropped further possibly, I still have hope that it will get a slighter higher audience at least as it is the last one for at least 2 years and the strongest episode. But the fact that Doug did not mention an "overnight" figure has me a bit worried.
But still M-Corp did remain in the top 15 most watched programmes out of the "other" channels, the drop was not as big as the one after Timewave and surely the viewing figures are overall good enough for there to be more new Red Dwarf in the future. Anyway, like I said how many more people viewed each episode online?
What I'm confused with is that over the last few weeks when I searched "Red Dwarf" on Twitter I came across at least a dozen people who never knew the last two series existed and were furious because they'd wanted to watch it. Then I was also asked several times when the series was starting a week after it had finished. Online promotion really doesn't seem to reach people these days, wish they'd had promoted it on a big talk show ...
Also many people are talking about how they've been saving the last three episodes ...
Yeah, I've got to say despite all the series 12 posters, my relatives in the south who are fans of RD in the past had no idea when I met up with them - on the day of Timewave's broadcast - that there was any new RD happening.
So perhaps the cast should have done more interviews on like you say talk shows like the one show etc.
I honestly don't feel too bad for these people. Shows that I really care about that much, even a couple which have been off air for a good few years, I search for any news on them every few weeks, even when I'm extra busy. If you've got the time to be annoyed that you've just missed a six weeks long series which has been announced for a full two and a half years, you've had time to search google for "red dwarf 11" in hopes something would turn up in one of those thirty months.
Special moment apparently ... Guess "series hoarding" is a thing now ...
I wasn't feeling bad for them, more for Doug/the cast missing out on the rating these oblivious ones could have added.
What I understood is that they even missed the first announcement. I have noticed that people are far more unaware of new TV series since social media/all the millions of channels/online shows. You really have to hit people over the head with promotion these days.
True. Craig is a One show friend/sometimes host, so maybe he could have used that ...
The cast were on Radio 2 and Good Morning Britain promoting the series, both of which reach a wide audience, and there was also a fair amount of promotion in the press, including on the cover of the Mirror on series launch day. I also noticed loads of posters round Peterborough at the start of the series, though weirdly I didn't see any in Cambridge around the same time. Were only the bigger cities targeted I wonder? London was well represented with posters all over the tube and that massive billboard.
I thought it was a great campaign actually - my partner (who is not really a fan) remarked on how he kept seeing Red Dwarf everywhere! Maybe it depended on where you were in the country though.